Unity Lust for Adventure [v10.3] [Sonpih]

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Emilen

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Garnser said:
Not every artist can stay true to their Artistic Vision, some devs have to make femboys into bara characters now, because a modern audience can cancel them for a fake ** alert or a platform they sitting on will think so. Indeed the audience doesn't know better, but it pays and judges each of their steps now.
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It is precisely because of the public's indulgence that these projects are not selling.
Those who need femboys don't play games enough for them to pay off.

I look at it this way. If the character (no matter who) is logical and justified by the plot, then it can be a sexually active transgender sloth, a magician and a wizard. But if a character is squeezed in due to public demands, and his presence is not explained, then he is superfluous and completely unnecessary.

In Hogwarts Legacy, there is a bar owner with a male voice, in Russia she speaks with a female voice. And the meaning of the words has not changed.
So think about it
 
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Emilen said:
I look at it this way. If the character (no matter who) is logical and justified by the plot, then it can be a sexually active transgender sloth, a magician and a wizard. But if a character is squeezed in due to public demands, and his presence is not explained, then he is superfluous and completely unnecessary.
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While I agree that adding characters to a work to satisfy some external pressure is a bad idea, I don't think that "justified by the plot" is a very useful way of looking at a character's role in a story. There are plenty of characters who, by the strict needs of the plot, might be considered unnecessary. Tolkien could have folded any number of his characters together without much effect on the plot (would anyone notice Celeborn's absence?), Shakespeare the same (Titus Andronicus hardly needs both Chiron and Demetrius), but would the removal of such "unnecessary" characters enhance the work?

Though if you're arguing that characters of a particular type have to justify themselves then that's a whole other ball game, and not a very happy one. If trans characters have to justify their transness then do gay characters also have to justify their gayness? If that's not what you were saying then I apologise, but it seems like a close argument.
 
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Хотя я согласен, что добавление персонажей в произведение для удовлетворения внешнего давления — плохая идея, я не думаю, что «оправдано сюжетом» — очень полезный способ взглянуть на роль персонажа в истории. Есть много персонажей, которые, в силу строгих требований сюжета, могут считаться ненужными. Толкин мог бы сложить любое количество своих персонажей вместе без особого влияния на сюжет (кто-нибудь заметит отсутствие Келеборна?), Шекспир сделал то же самое ( Тит Андроник вряд ли нуждается и в Хироне, и в Деметрии), но улучшит ли удаление таких «ненужных» персонажей произведение?

Хотя если вы утверждаете, что персонажи определенного типа должны оправдывать себя, то это совсем другая игра, и не очень удачная. Если транс-персонажи должны оправдывать свою трансность, то должны ли гей-персонажи также оправдывать свою гомосексуальность? Если это не то, что вы имели в виду, то я извиняюсь, но это похоже на близкий аргумент.
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Я понял вашу точку зрения, однако вы не поняли мою.

Есть отличный фильм «
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», где второстепенный герой — гей и помогает главному герою.
В этом фильме (даже в оригинале 1939 года) объясняется: почему этот персонаж гей, почему он переодевается в женщину и даже почему главная героиня делает то, что должна по сюжету.

Есть «дополнительные» персонажи, которые никак не влияют на основную сюжетную линию, но они нужны для создания атмосферы и погружения в сюжет фильма.

Все логично и обосновано. И не только потому, что вам так захотелось или кто-то этого потребовал.

Это то, что я имел в виду.

Кстати, очень рекомендую посмотреть.

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underrock said:
While I agree that adding characters to a work to satisfy some external pressure is a bad idea, I don't think that "justified by the plot" is a very useful way of looking at a character's role in a story. There are plenty of characters who, by the strict needs of the plot, might be considered unnecessary. Tolkien could have folded any number of his characters together without much effect on the plot (would anyone notice Celeborn's absence?), Shakespeare the same (Titus Andronicus hardly needs both Chiron and Demetrius), but would the removal of such "unnecessary" characters enhance the work?

Though if you're arguing that characters of a particular type have to justify themselves then that's a whole other ball game, and not a very happy one. If trans characters have to justify their transness then do gay characters also have to justify their gayness? If that's not what you were saying then I apologise, but it seems like a close argument.
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Emilen said:
I get your point, but you don't get mine.

There's a great movie called "
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" where the secondary character is gay and helps the main character.
This movie (even the original 1939) explains why this character is gay, why he dresses up as a woman, and even why the main character does what she has to do according to the plot.

There are "additional" characters that don't affect the main storyline in any way, but they are there to create atmosphere and immerse you in the plot of the movie.

Everything is logical and justified. And not just because you wanted it that way or someone demanded it.

That's what I meant.

By the way, I highly recommend watching it.
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Doesn't affect the main storyline does not equal to doesn't affect the story. And that should not be the point.
It comes down to Why this character exist?
Is it for internal reason, by Artistic Choice, to serve the creation (plot, world-building, lore, etc)?
The huge problem of today's media, is these characters often exist solely for external reason (such as DEI), has nothing to do with the creation itself, and they are all Bland / Boring / Insulting Stereotypes, ruining the immersion.

Porn Games, on the other hand, have another problem:
Many Characters have roles of fanservice / full-filling audiences' sexual needs.
I don't think these need additional "Justification", but they need to serve the audiences.
Adding one of two "Outliners" doesn't matter, But it'll be a problem if it becomes the direction.
That's why devs need to pay even more attention to stay true to their Artistic Vision, if they wish their games to be something more than just Fillers jacking-off napkins (that you toss off once finished your load).
 
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nackedsnake said:
Doesn't affect the main storyline does not equal to doesn't affect the story. And that should not be the point.
It comes down to Why this character exist?
Is it for internal reason, by Artistic Choice, to serve the creation (plot, world-building, lore, etc)?
The huge problem of today's media, is these characters often exist solely for external reason (such as DEI), has nothing to do with the creation itself, and they are all Bland / Boring / Insulting Stereotypes, ruining the immersion.

Porn Games, on the other hand, have another problem:
Many Characters have roles of fanservice / full-filling audiences' sexual needs.
I don't think these need additional "Justification", but they need to serve the audiences.
Adding one of two "Outliners" doesn't matter, But it'll be a problem if it becomes the direction.
That's why devs need to pay even more attention to stay true to their Artistic Vision, if they wish their games to be something more than just Fillers jacking-off napkins (that you toss off once finished your load).
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Our wonderful conversation lacks one ingredient, namely, the opinion of the author himself.
Of course, I am pleased with the philological knowledge of the users of this game, but we must not forget that this is not our story. we are just listeners.
 
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Errors and bugs
1) Zack’s triggers do not work effectively enough. To be more precise, they work every other time.
It's been 10 weeks in the game and the scenario with Zack is not progressing.
Seriously, I'm really tired of triggers not working.
And by the way, I will note that this only happens to Zack.
2) This is already something new. See photo.

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There is a bug where Nink does not drop his bones...but you can still give it for shield and take the sworld causing the fourth statue to not glow. 1723109156194.png
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This game has honestly gone to shit, no rpg elements added, sub par af animations and no story to speak of. (The fact I actually grinded to level 94 so much regret)
Probably would of done better as a Visual Novel on Ren
 
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Forgive me if I am still missing your point, but you seem to be suggesting that any character trait should be justified by the needs of the story, be it plot or scene-setting. In your example, Victor/Victoria requires androgyny as a trait in the titular character, which is true. But does that mean that an androgynous character needs to be justified in the plot? Can I not just have one to make the cast more varied and interesting, with no greater motive than that?
 
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Emilen

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underrock said:
Forgive me if I am still missing your point, but you seem to be suggesting that any character trait should be justified by the needs of the story, be it plot or scene-setting. In your example, Victor/Victoria requires androgyny as a trait in the titular character, which is true. But does that mean that an androgynous character needs to be justified in the plot? Can I not just have one to make the cast more varied and interesting, with no greater motive than that?
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You completely misunderstood my reference to the film Victor Victoria.

I meant that the characters in this film and their actions are logical, justified and within the framework of the lore.
Based on the above, if NPCs are logically justified by the plot and do not fall out of the game’s lore, then their presence is justified. If an NPC exists simply for the sake of existing, at someone’s whim, then this will negatively affect the overall impression of the game.

I hope it's clearer this way
 
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Zorrscha said:
This game has honestly gone to shit, no rpg elements added, sub par af animations and no story to speak of. (The fact I actually grinded to level 94 so much regret)
Probably would of done better as a Visual Novel on Ren
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Not sure RenPy can handle all these 3D models and Animations.
I agree it'd been better as "VN focus with RPG elements".
But I don't thinks it's "gone to shit", it's never been good on the "gameplay" front (I never played it as an RPG), a few interesting ideas, but never went beyond that.
Not to mention gameplay never feels like a focus for the dev, it's always about modelling / rendering / animating.
 
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nackedsnake said:
Not sure RenPy can handle all these 3D models and Animations.
I agree it'd been better as "VN focus with RPG elements".
But I don't thinks it's "gone to shit", it's never been good on the "gameplay" front (I never played it as an RPG), a few interesting ideas, but never went beyond that.
Not to mention gameplay never feels like a focus for the dev, it's always about modelling / rendering / animating.
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I never thought of Lust for Adventure as a visual novel.
In my opinion, the author chose a good balance, not very simple, but at the same time not too boring.

If the author can be reproached for anything, it is that there is too much variety of NPCs, which do not complement the story, but rather ruin it. But I think that in the future the author will tie all the threads of the story into a single ball.

Personally, I’m a little bored because the Academy, in my personal opinion, was unfinished.
There are not enough scenes in the shower, not those according to the script, but those that the player himself could have done.
There are not enough bedroom scenes. Many guys there lie in such positions that they directly beckon you to them, and this is technically impossible to do.

But let me emphasize that this is my view of the situation, and not a complaint to the author.

By the way, the issue of sperm collection has not yet been resolved. That is, it’s clear that we make elixirs from it, but for what? Maybe the author has not yet figured out why this is needed.

And one more point, which was first mentioned on this forum.
Possibility to have sex with NPCs after the mission is completed. This means after the end of the NPC arc. Just go in and fuck the blacksmith (as an example)

Before introducing new characters, it seems to me, it is necessary to bring to its logical conclusion what has already been done.

In any case, I wish the author good luck
 
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